Please check out this excellent discussion between Rob Nolke of Disorganized Productions and THE GREAT Mormon Rishi! Both are former guests of George's Flat Earth Files! Delve deep into the minds of these two excellent philosophers!
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https://open.spotify.com/episode/38LKnm1kquXJWFypm2WbRZ?si=o3mlVIIbSAS8AIK1GnBrkA